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I think if everyone got involves in beta testing - All hell would break loose :roll:
the team need help to find bugs & solutions quickly, and beta's are not to be used in production, so those of us who have programming skills are there to assist the team, others who do not have these skill would slow testing down and 1.1 would then be even further away.

Leave it up to the experts, and we will all soon have a bug free Prestashop v1.1
which can be used for Live production sites :)

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Hi everyone!

1. Firstly have a look at that topic ;-)

2. You have to know something important:
Who (from the PrestaTeam) usually reply to your questions? Peter? Philippe? Bruno? Damien? Myself?
Do you know who's in charge of "communication"? Well, I'll tell you, it's Peter, only Peter.
How many new posts are created each day? More than 160. Do you think that one single man can answer all of them?
So Philippe, Bruno, Damien and Myself are spending developing time (and even sometimes free time) to give him some help.

3. You seem to think that the 1.1 will be directly final. I warn you, it will be a RC version! So no production purpose! Testing only. Thus you should leave your shops on 1.0 until the 1.1 final version (see the topic link just above).

4. Finally I understood that you want some snapshots of new features, actually we never thought about taking some of them, it's a very good idea. I'll take 5 minutes Monday to take one or two of a new feature ;-) (but please don't blame me if I'm late and post them only Tuesday).

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the team need help to find bugs & solutions quickly, and beta's are not to be used in production, so those of us who have programming skills are there to assist the team, others who do not have these skill would slow testing down and 1.1 would then be even further away.

Leave it up to the experts, and we will all soon have a bug free Prestashop v1.1


I totally disagree with that!
None developer people won't slow down our work at all!
None developer people are very important because they bring different ideas and behaviors in front of issues.
I think it is exactly like having women in what was called "men work" some times ago. They bring new and totally different way of thinking, new ideas and can produce situations we never thought possible or imagined.
More over it is more often non developer who find the "best" bugs alias worse ones, because they're the ones developers did not think about when creating the software.
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This thread is closed: PrestaShop's releases method and v1.1RC1 news

But I have still some questions.

Why not make beta versions also as public versions. Like Firefox, Ubuntu etc. I have tested Firefox and Ubuntu betas and make my best to give some feedback.


Because what you're asking is what is the RC versions are which is already what we make public :P

For readability purpose, announcements such that one is in "read-only".
If you want to discuss about it, feel free to post a new topic on the "General forum", we'll reply to you as much as possible ;-P
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Hy all!

I will only say that you are doing a very good job (that's something that everyone knows and says). So all of us have to say: THANK YOU for your job!

I will only consider on publishing some information about the date and new features, not telling exact dates but some aproximation.

I think I am not the only one who cannot create my e-shop because of some features that v. 1.0 does not offer and 1.1 will (in my case free-text attributes, which is basic for me)

And please, if you need testers do not heasitate to ask for it as I will do it "enchanté".

Merci!

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I prefer take 2 full weeks to understand mag... but after I' m sure to have a strong solution.
A disapointed newbee


Good luck with that. Magento is serious stuff, and if you can master it in 2 weeks you could earn a fortune building sites.

Paul


What bothers me is that previous version's RCs took 3 months to reach final stable (stable, but still buggy). So Paul, maybe (just *maybe*) 2 weeks for elcafeine to get his Magento site running for his business/clients seems to make much more sense, because I don't think we'll even get a glimpse of 1.1 RC in 2 months... Either that or prove us wrong.

Plus, first there was that Paris E-Commerce Conference, 7-9 October comes Salon VAD 2008; so what Damien said basically just won't happen, as expected. It's tempting to guess nothing will happen until next month.

Don't get me too wrong: I still think Prestashop has good foundations. I think Prestashop will be very strong in the future. But there are things that just can't wait.

RSS module is just useless; this is probably the first shopping cart software that doesn't auto-generate RSS feeds for new products (this is VERY important for customers, from my experience dealing with them).

I also remember that those VAT miscalculations on PDF invoice were supposedly corrected on Prestateam's side, but never released as a bug fix because "it will be included in the next release". Prestateam, read this PLEASE:
I seriously DON'T THINK that we actually *need* final 1.1 out NOW. No... please take your time to polish it. BUT!... what's wrong in posting bug fixes? Why are you all leaving each and every bug fixes of 1.0 to final 1.1? If you push all crucial needed refinements (calculation corrections, CSV upload's update/upgrade, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc and etc) to a 1.1 release, PLUS you say RC is not good for production, I feel that it's just too easy for people that once held faith on this software to just move along to something else. I left the Drupal+Ubercart solution because it'll probably take them 2 more versions to have European VAT invoices at core incorporated. Business just can't wait. But we're not asking for a super duper full fledged killer app NOW; we just want basic issues solved.

I could hack code, yes. Why not? Because I'll probably have a 1.1 making every re-code useless, or maybe I'd have to hack 1.1 to get my 1.0 hack work on other features. Meaning taking a site down for maintenance. Meaning loosing potential sales in the meantime.

Please take your time to polish 1.0 to 1.1. But in the meantime, please start releasing official bugfixes. Or nightly dev-snapshots. And I don't mean screenshots :P

I think most of us would silence a bit and feel safer to carry on out work with these bug fixes or patches. If you keep holding back and back on everything until a satisfactory 1.1 comes out... 1.1 will probably never come out. Softwares are never perfect. Ever. You should know this better.

Then, of course, it's the features request. I deal hobby products, and there's no feature for pre-orders. I haven't requested it, maybe I should have, but what hope do I get when some other requests I see interesting requests being kicked out from the chance of being incorporated in the near future?

Prestashop 1.1 Final in 2009? By this rate, seems like it. Or maybe a x'mas present, but that's just way too disappointing for most e-tailers.
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I prefer take 2 full weeks to understand mag... but after I' m sure to have a strong solution.
A disapointed newbee


Good luck with that. Magento is serious stuff, and if you can master it in 2 weeks you could earn a fortune building sites.

Paul


What bothers me is that previous version's RCs took 3 months to reach final stable (stable, but still buggy). So Paul, maybe (just *maybe*) 2 weeks for elcafeine to get his Magento site running for his business/clients seems to make much more sense, because I don't think we'll even get a glimpse of 1.1 RC in 2 months... Either that or prove us wrong.

Plus, first there was that Paris E-Commerce Conference, 7-9 October comes Salon VAD 2008; so what Damien said basically just won't happen, as expected. It's tempting to guess nothing will happen until next month.

Don't get me too wrong: I still think Prestashop has good foundations. I think Prestashop will be very strong in the future. But there are things that just can't wait.

RSS module is just useless; this is probably the first shopping cart software that doesn't auto-generate RSS feeds for new products (this is VERY important for customers, from my experience dealing with them).

I also remember that those VAT miscalculations on PDF invoice were supposedly corrected on Prestateam's side, but never released as a bug fix because "it will be included in the next release". Prestateam, read this PLEASE:
I seriously DON'T THINK that we actually *need* final 1.1 out NOW. No... please take your time to polish it. BUT!... what's wrong in posting bug fixes? Why are you all leaving each and every bug fixes of 1.0 to final 1.1? If you push all crucial needed refinements (calculation corrections, CSV upload's update/upgrade, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc and etc) to a 1.1 release, PLUS you say RC is not good for production, I feel that it's just too easy for people that once held faith on this software to just move along to something else. I left the Drupal+Ubercart solution because it'll probably take them 2 more versions to have European VAT invoices at core incorporated. Business just can't wait. But we're not asking for a super duper full fledged killer app NOW; we just want basic issues solved.

I could hack code, yes. Why not? Because I'll probably have a 1.1 making every re-code useless, or maybe I'd have to hack 1.1 to get my 1.0 hack work on other features. Meaning taking a site down for maintenance. Meaning loosing potential sales in the meantime.

Please take your time to polish 1.0 to 1.1. But in the meantime, please start releasing official bugfixes. Or nightly dev-snapshots. And I don't mean screenshots :P

I think most of us would silence a bit and feel safer to carry on out work with these bug fixes or patches. If you keep holding back and back on everything until a satisfactory 1.1 comes out... 1.1 will probably never come out. Softwares are never perfect. Ever. You should know this better.

Then, of course, it's the features request. I deal hobby products, and there's no feature for pre-orders. I haven't requested it, maybe I should have, but what hope do I get when some other requests I see interesting requests being kicked out from the chance of being incorporated in the near future?

Prestashop 1.1 Final in 2009? By this rate, seems like it. Or maybe a x'mas present, but that's just way too disappointing for most e-tailers.


+ 1000 Nakano ! Most Prestashop developpers tend to forget than our first job is to sell :lol:
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Prestateam, read this PLEASE:
I seriously DON'T THINK that we actually *need* final 1.1 out NOW. No... please take your time to polish it. BUT!... what's wrong in posting bug fixes? Why are you all leaving each and every bug fixes of 1.0 to final 1.1? If you push all crucial needed refinements (calculation corrections, CSV upload's update/upgrade, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc and etc) to a 1.1 release, PLUS you say RC is not good for production, I feel that it's just too easy for people that once held faith on this software to just move along to something else. I left the Drupal+Ubercart solution because it'll probably take them 2 more versions to have European VAT invoices at core incorporated. Business just can't wait. But we're not asking for a super duper full fledged killer app NOW; we just want basic issues solved.


Well. we won't release a 1.1 final now. What we'll release is the first 1.1 RC.
And that RC1 will fix major issues of the 1.0.0.8 version (such as the ones you enumerated ;-)).

Why not publishing bug fixes? Because we do not want to be an OsCommerce like, making people inserting and modifing lines inside the core.
More over, forgetting the OsCommerce experience, if we publish bug fixes and then people apply them, when someone will report an issue it will, in 80% of the time, be because of a bad patch application. And even when it won't be, how can we be certain that it does not happen because of the patch itself?
So our decision is to not publish bug fixes. But soon you'll get a SVN access (see News & Releases forum, first topic) and you'll be able to have all fixes :-)


Please take your time to polish 1.0 to 1.1. But in the meantime, please start releasing official bugfixes. Or nightly dev-snapshots. And I don't mean screenshots :P


So what do you mean by "dev-snapshots"?


Prestashop 1.1 Final in 2009? By this rate, seems like it. Or maybe a x'mas present, but that's just way too disappointing for most e-tailers.


As you said before , and even advised, we choose to take our time, to polish as much as possible each release. So it will take as much time as it need to be stable. Even if I hope it will be largely before Xmas.
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so how many fixes are left today? 10? 100? I know it will probobly change tomorrow as new issues may be discovered but it would be nice to know if I should tell my clients too hold their horses and wait for 1.1 or if I should spend time and money on developing a working csv import now.
Since if 1.1 final is 3 months away then there is not much choice but to fix a working csv import ourself since noone wants to wait that long..
if RC1 is only days away then it may be worth to wait these extra days instead and focus on more important modules like payment gateways.

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A small but concrete preview ;-P


Thank You

I am really happy and now waiting first beta release.

To me was really important this product customization. Now - when I see the first beta -I can set up my migration from zenCart to PrestaShop. Translate it to Estonian (more than half is done) and make new templates as needed. So - at this testing and development step - I hope I can give the best to find bugs.
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So our decision is to not publish bug fixes. But soon you'll get a SVN access (see News & Releases forum, first topic) and you'll be able to have all fixes :-)

I do hope so, ... because it is like hell to have to check every thing daily in order to make sure business is in order and try to keep your customers happy

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Thank you to not begin to write in french inside an english topic.

A small but concrete preview ;-P


Sa c'est cool,j'attend que sa de pouvoir custom.Merci pour la preview Matthieu.

Si je peux me permettre moi j'aurai plutot vu le custom comme sa :

matetineperso

C'est très simple et sa me suffirait amplement personnellement ,j'ai juste besoin d'un champ de custom comme sa,mais je sais pas comment faire lol.


It is a matter of display, you could move it where you want and awaiting its future evolution (RC2?) you can also modify the template file in order to add some titles to input fields ;-)
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To those who think mag is a better solution, think again.

I went and switched a client to mag and it was a nightmare. Their system is slow, the client couldn't understand the admin even after a week training.

PS has the best admin interface and my client is able to create their own categories and items with no problems. PS runs smooth and fast. To get mag to run nicely you will be paying 4 times the hosting price for some fancy company.

PS owns Mag!

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what features will be included in 1.1? anyone knows anything except attribute products and stats tab? :)
a working csv import maybe? or will all the "comming features" be included? how about payment cost making it possible to adding a extra charge for COD?

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Why not publishing bug fixes? Because we do not want to be an OsCommerce like, making people inserting and modifing lines inside the core.
More over, forgetting the osCommerce experience, if we publish bug fixes and then people apply them, when someone will report an issue it will, in 80% of the time, be because of a bad patch application. And even when it won't be, how can we be certain that it does not happen because of the patch itself?
So our decision is to not publish bug fixes. But soon you'll get a SVN access (see News & Releases forum, first topic) and you'll be able to have all fixes :-)


I can only second that!

Not only have we seen that bug-fixes implemented in the core of osCommerce in a quick way have created other (new) bugs and sometimes we had to compare the patches with the original code to see what needed to be done to get everyting sorted and well working again.
I run a (stable) osCommerce shop myself and know how hard that is....

I agree that it is better to release a complete and well tested version. But please do not forget that people already using PrestaShop cannot wait until that next version if bugs are costing them money or greef.
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Why not publishing bug fixes? Because we do not want to be an OsCommerce like, making people inserting and modifing lines inside the core.
More over, forgetting the osCommerce experience, if we publish bug fixes and then people apply them, when someone will report an issue it will, in 80% of the time, be because of a bad patch application. And even when it won't be, how can we be certain that it does not happen because of the patch itself?
So our decision is to not publish bug fixes. But soon you'll get a SVN access (see News & Releases forum, first topic) and you'll be able to have all fixes :-)


I can only second that!

Not only have we seen that bug-fixes implemented in the core of osCommerce in a quick way have created other (new) bugs and sometimes we had to compare the patches with the original code to see what needed to be done to get everyting sorted and well working again.
I run a (stable) osCommerce shop myself and know how hard that is....

I agree that it is better to release a complete and well tested version. But please do not forget that people already using PrestaShop cannot wait until that next version if bugs are costing them money or greef.


Still no 1.1 release :(
can the team offer a patch for 1.0? apply the fixed bugs in 1.0?
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Hi there everybody, especially the Prestateam

I would like if possibble to see how it will look the customer review, just an example as "the customizable product screenshot"
It is very important for lots of us, I believe, to have that module for better sales, and better customer buying decission.

Thanks to the community

Best regards
Pergame

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Hi, I was quite taken back by all the negative posts in this topic. I think you guys are doing a great job, I myself really like Prestashop and work my way around certain bugs to make it work for me I am no top notch programmer by any means but i know the effort and dedication it takes to put out a piece of software like this so i think everyone should be supportive. Like some of you I have a store it runs which is the main thing the bug fixes havent stopped me from making any profit nor has no cms there are always ways to get around things you need and want for other things that you cant you just wait patiently even if it is for awhile.
For those of you going to magento i second all those saying "good luck" I have tested it as i was going to create themes for it and found it to be alot slower then most shopping carts so went back to making themes for zen cart and prestashop (which i will post up in the module section once completed thanks to the person who gave clarity as to if they work on 1.1 or not big thanks :D )
Cheers presta team :) Great job!!

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Hii all

Here you can find a translation from a french topic :

http://www.prestashop.com/forums/viewthread/5633/P15/discussion_generale/et_cette_v1_dot_1_ne_devait_elle_pas_sortir_cette_semaine

Your impatience gets me a lot
V1.1 is in phase of beta-test with a small number of persons of our community ( the accustomed

It advancedwell, and the RC1 should not any more delay pointing the end of its nose!

I know that makes long, but some more of patience, I think that you will not be disappointed .

It is Damien who is responsible for it, and I think that it should not delay landing too!
That of the check to come …




Sorry for my poor translation I do what I can
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I read in some post that the V1.1 is already available for some ...for testing purpose.
Can we have just some print screens with the new features?
As some thing givin to us will satisfy the apetit for v1.1 and maybe will help some of us plan things .
Thanks prestateam and to all the users of the forum

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