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I made this topic, because I don't find anywhere information, when is planed release of PrestaShop 1.1.

Also - is there any SVN server or something - where is possible to download and test these versions, what are under development?

I think users can give lot of information back, when they can test versions, whats are under development and its can attract other developers maybe to.

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Good point Spott! I am also wondering when we can view the new version of Prestashop. It have definitely the potential to grow to the number one e-commerce solution. It would be nice to see some pre-versions. So presta-team is this possible?

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It worries me when it goes quiet?

Is there "Trouble at Mill"? (Yorkshire saying).

I have posted a few queries and yet nothing from the PS Team.

This program is open source and free and it worries me sometimes that it could be abandoned due to lack of funding?

Sorry to sound negative but if we are going to build websites around this system we need to know that it is not just a hobby.

The French side of things seems very active.

Lets see how long it takes to get a reply? ;-)

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Not long, even if I don't spend hours reading the forum :)
And I do appreciate your consideration about funding, but don't worry it won't be abandoned anytime soon :P

It's quiet because we don't want anyone to think this is ready when this is not. For that matter, the gossip for the 23-09-2008 seems particulary funny to me :]
A v1.1RC1 will be released very soon.

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Damien, not being rude but if there was a SVN / weekly snapshot then the rest of us who are also developing for PrestaShop would be able to ensure that things work soon after new releases, rather than having to catch up....

It may also be that certain features that are being developed by the community could be duplicating what you chaps are working on.

LOL at reading the forum..... maybe you need someone to manage communications between the community and the team?

Paul

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Hi everyone,

As a matter of policy, we do not give fixed dates for releases. We used to do that, but were burned too many times by delays beyond our control. This is why we only give vague replies to release-date requests.

Having said that, a release candidate of v1.1 _should_ be released by the end of this week.

As for an SVN access, we agree wholeheartedly that it would be useful for both the PrestaShop dev team and the community at large. We have had extensive discussions concerning putting SVN in place, including recently. However, we want to make sure we do it right. One member of our dev team has been given the responsibility to research the best possible solution; I expect we will have an SVN in place sometime in the next month or so. But again, that's just a guess, not a promise. ;)

As for communications between the PS community and the dev team, as the official Forum liaison I personally accept responsibility for the recent decrease in interaction. As we've grown as a company, my other duties have been taking more of my time and I have not been able to spend as much time as I would like on the Forum. In addition, "amwdesign":/forums/member/824/amwdesign/, another official English-language moderator, has also been too busy with his own projects to participate on the Forum.

However, we will be making Forum participation a higher priority again going forward. While it is impossible to answer every question and solve every problem, we do value the input from our users and we certainly need to make our presence felt more regularly.

In the meantime, the best way to follow the evolution of bug fixes and feature development is via the "Bug Tracker":/bug_tracker/. The dev team monitors and updates the Bug Tracker more often than the Forum, so for the very latest information, please check the Bug Tracker regularly.

Thanks for all your comments. :)

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Can we please have a web cam installed in the development team office at Prestashop HQ so that we can witness the team hard at work! ;-)

I think you can get software nowadays that can log how many croissants and cups of coffee are being consumed. This software also calculates how much each nibble and slurp sets back the release of V1.1 :cheese: :cheese: ;-P

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TheTyke, v1.1 release on this weekend it was written at least. Many people wait for it. The PrestaShop HQ does not want those many people to be disappointed and PrestaShop HQ clever, does not commit a mistake like this. PrestaShop HQ would get to waste (like that many gorgeous initiations) if I would be mistook with these words.

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Pr3574

Sorry for any misunderstanding but my comments were an attempt at humour ;-P

This has obviously not translated well or my jokes are rubbish.

There is no point in stamping my feet and demanding V1.1 now and then in a weeks time wanting V1.2.

I do not know what process the Development Team went through to decide what was included in V1 but the proposed changes for V1.1 make it an infineteley more usable product.

Anyway back to my initial point "I want a webcam" ;-P

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Your joke wasn't a joke for me but this means nothing. Anyway that shopping cart doesn't develop according to the users' claim that shopping cart dies because the shopping cart developers don't dictate. The users dictate. This is the essence of the Web Two, it's about this! Dot Com is where it's not about this. But Dot Com shut up and died already era. I hope PrestaShop HQ not only knows this... That is it.

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This is getting a bit silly. Some of us are talking about having access to the incomplete update so that we can better support our own code when the full release is made. End-users who want things NOW just have to wait I'm afraid. The same folks would probably be the first to complain loudly on the forum about bugs if the next version was released before it was ready....

It takes a lot of time, effort and skill to produce complex quality software such as this. If you want to be able to better control the development timetable, then go and pay to have a shopping cart written for you.

Paul

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This is getting a bit silly. Some of us are talking about having access to the incomplete update so that we can better support our own code when the full release is made. End-users who want things NOW just have to wait I'm afraid. The same folks would probably be the first to complain loudly on the forum about bugs if the next version was released before it was ready....

It takes a lot of time, effort and skill to produce complex quality software such as this. If you want to be able to better control the development timetable, then go and pay to have a shopping cart written for you.

Paul


I do agree with you Paul. ;-)
I also prefer that the team brings us a complete and clean 1.1 version.
I am also impatient about the next release, but as far as I know, it's only a few days waiting question.

We have to respect these efforts made in the quality direction.

but there are some communications/informations problems.
I guess that if we could be clearly informed about what is going on (new features for instance or new modules free or not), some dev could propose more modules to complete the application. the PS blog could be the right place for that.

I can understand that some personns feels like been "out of the game", and that they feel sometimes exasperated.
this PS solution is really promising a lot...
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I apologise for my previous, perhaps overly harsh words. I was having a bad day :cheese:

I agree that communication has been a little thin on the ground - but Peter has already put his hand up to that, which I for one give him due credit and respect for. I'm happy to wait for the next release, but like you would like a little clue as to what may or may not be changing (at the very least).

Regardless, I'm sure it will be worth the wait - so no pressure guys :-)
Paul

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Dear yes-men,

There is no progress without criticism.
Practise some self-criticism. Maybe that apologize for yourselves.


For progress to be made the citicism needs to be constructive and of value.

Pr3574 I think you need to ease off on the "CafeNoir" or at least go "DECAF" (Note: Apology to the people of France for the Decaf comment)

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Someone who admits mea culpa (meaning that it could have been avoided if that person had been more diligent) may well be doing so in order to deflect criticism, as it could be construed as bad form to point out someone's failings after they have already acknowledged them, especially when the mistake wasn't overly important. Read more! Useful!

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Pr3574

I think we are going off track here. "Mea culpa" noted.

The united we stand comment was meant to mean that as users of the system we will not get any changes unless we stand together. Bickering between each other detracts from our joint purpose which is to assit in the development of prestashop by constructive input.

Now back to the point can a member of the Prestashop team give a "realistic" timescale for V1.1 as it holds some key improvements. :coolsmile:

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Maybe we have hope to see something at next week --- or maybe not.
No information, no RC releases...

Even product is not yet ready - its good to give information and give something to test. It gives more possibility to make new themes, new translations, find bugs etc.

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haha probobly they just included some extra functions in 1.1 and are eliminating any bugs they found in 1.0... but I hope we can see 1.1 soon, I really want the csv import to work.. now when I install a new customer I have to manually add the images for the products and that takes too much time :(

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Hi there everyone

Is someone from paris and went to the conference? Maybe he could tell us news about the prestateam and v1.1?

Salut a tout monde

Il y a quelqu-en de Paris qui a vu le conference et le prestateam, et peut-etre ne dire quelque chose?


P.S. Sorry for my bad French
excuse moi pour ma mal francais

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Today is last day Paris e-commerce conference. Maybe PrestaShop team makes today this big step. But when not - then is something veery wrong with they development.


I don't think we get anything today.. if they get back from the conference today they probobly have alot todo just getting back to the office :)
Maybe tomorrow at the earliest but I wouldn't count on that either.. next week is proboby more likely.
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Ruilong is quite insightful ;)


Dear prestashop team.
It's bad for people to leave this project just because there's no info on the release day.
We each have started stores with this beautiful open source, but we have to improve.
I wait this release only for the "customer review" feature. I left osc for presta but I have found that the sales droped just because the customers are not convinced without some positive reviews about the product.
I ask you very kindly to tell us when it will be available this month, next month, next year......Because we bussineses that rely on this soft.That way we can organize ourselves better.
I didn't populate my store with other products, just because i wait the release to put there the new products.

I'm bagging you to give us a date even it's next year or something.
Try to put yourself in our places. I understand that it's not easy to develop a store like this, but I also think that a release date isn't so hard to estimate.

And also I'm asking the prestateam if the v1.1 it's also going to be open-source, or it will have a fee.

Thank's prestateam and please think of us the users. We also contribute to the growth of this comunity.
We owe you a lot, but you owe us information witch for us is important and for our business growth and administration.

Thanks
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And also I'm asking the prestateam if the v1.1 it's also going to be open-source, or it will have a fee.
At least I can say that no, there will be no fee :)
As for the date...
If I say next week (and I hope it will be so) and it's not, you'll be even more disappointed... So I'll say the week after :D But that's only my opinion.
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And also I'm asking the prestateam if the v1.1 it's also going to be open-source, or it will have a fee.
At least I can say that no, there will be no fee :)
As for the date...
If I say next week (and I hope it will be so) and it's not, you'll be even more disappointed... So I'll say the week after :D But that's only my opinion.


Any info you can share about new functions? ;)
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So, the story so far: on September 9th Peter Wilson said "but were burned too many times by delays beyond our control. This is why we only give vague replies to release-date requests.

Having said that, a release candidate of v1.1 should be released by the end of this week."

So Sept.13th was missed, even for a RC. So was the 20th. On the 21st Zendik said v1.1 was already finished, but he's a senior member, I'm think he's probably not from PrestaTeam, so I don't know based on what he said that (but it sounded GOOD!).

Now you're saying

As for the date...
If I say next week (and I ho pe it will be so) and it's not, you'll be even more disappointed... So I'll say the week after :D But that's only my opinion.


That approach is really not funny.... at all.

I did some programming before, so I do understand the hurdles and responsability of putting up a reliable software for the masses, that involve monetary transactions. What bugs me is that you'll probably release just an RC. Then we users will all go testing this, so final stable build will probably still a bit far from complete (v1.0 RC3 took nearly 3 months to reach Final Stable). I think users that believe in Prestashop deserve to know progress of its development. In the future, I'd suggest something similar to Ubercart for Drupal (which I gave up in favor of Prestashop) for example, where they host a site with development progress and nightly build downloads at http://bazaar.ubercart.org/. I don't mind not having nightly builds, but following how things are avoids the feeling of abandoned ship; maybe not now, but in the long run this might hurt this software's reputation.

Not to mention instant "jokes" like these link to a fake prestashop 1.1 (don't even bother downloading/telécharger, nothing happens, of course).

We're all anxious to see v1.1 in action, that's just crystal clear. Many of the announced features will certainly help speed up stock management, so that's gotta be a positive thing. As disappointed as we all are till now, I guess there's not much we can do but to play the wait game.

Good luck, Prestateam. Whatever you're up to.
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As for an SVN access, we agree wholeheartedly that it would be useful for both the PrestaShop dev team and the community at large. We have had extensive discussions concerning putting SVN in place, including recently. However, we want to make sure we do it right. One member of our dev team has been given the responsibility to research the best possible solution; I expect we will have an SVN in place sometime in the next month or so. But again, that's just a guess, not a promise. ;)

As for communications between the PS community and the dev team, as the official Forum liaison I personally accept responsibility for the recent decrease in interaction. As we've grown as a company, my other duties have been taking more of my time and I have not been able to spend as much time as I would like on the Forum. In addition, "amwdesign":/forums/member/824/amwdesign/, another official English-language moderator, has also been too busy with his own projects to participate on the Forum.

However, we will be making Forum participation a higher priority again going forward. While it is impossible to answer every question and solve every problem, we do value the input from our users and we certainly need to make our presence felt more regularly.

In the meantime, the best way to follow the evolution of bug fixes and feature development is via the "Bug Tracker":/bug_tracker/. The dev team monitors and updates the Bug Tracker more often than the Forum, so for the very latest information, please check the Bug Tracker regularly.

Thanks for all your comments. :)


First lets briefly discuss SVN access
Really I would say this needs to be in place A.S.A.P.
So we can help the team with the stability of prestashop ;)
Had this already been in place maybe version v1.1 would now be available,

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I would like to apologise to this community as Peter has rightly said, unfortunately Alpha Media have not had too much time lately for the general community support, currently the issue has been undergoing far too many projects at once.
In fact we now have a scheduling system in place so finally beginning to catch up on all the outstanding work outside Prestashop.

However, as a company we have started to become dependent on Prestashop for our E-commerce solution, as many of you will also be in the same situation, because of nearly 50% of our work is now coming from the community members we have unfortunately not been able to take on any extra work from members for the past few weeks, this is why the message in the signature will remain the same until v1.1 is released

In fact at least 6 of our current prestashop projects may also depend on the update, so these are also on hold until the next version is released

We will try to return back to community support when v1.1 is released.
However meanwhile I am usually available to chat to on SKYPE only if your question or project is URGENT! SKYPE:AMWDESIGN

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There also seems to be a bug with the bug tracker & feature details page :lol:
Maybe this is related to the new super fast server, just thought I would point this out to the team ;)

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Something which has not been discussed in a while is the WIKI.
(Currently this is only available to moderate by the prestashop development team)

WIKI - this has in fact come a long way since this has started, there is a lot of useful info in the WIKI for first time users, but this can be taken a lot further if you let some of us technical minded prestashop members moderate certain sections of the WIKI.

I agree not everyone should be able to do this, however there should be a comments area with topic ratings so people can posts their thoughts for each moderated post.

The Developers WIKI
Once again this needs to be at least updatable by forum moderators & other high ranked members.
I am usually bombarded with questions with basic development queries.
Even I don’t have all the answers, although always try to work out the simplest solution
For example this particular question has been asked several times.
How do you move search box, banners etc.

Now each time I have gone through this with various different members the solution can take up to an hour dependant on the member’s knowledge, where sometimes it would be quicker to resolve this issue for them.

It would be a huge time saver & obviously saves members money if the answer to their question was available in the developers WIKI

If I had access to this I would write a short answer so the rest of the community would benefit from this, also another suggestion would be Q&A;’s. That way everyone is happy :)

I look forward once again to working with the community in the future

Speak Soon ;)

Regards.

Adam Lee
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New release oh that will be months and months away, i think they so busy lets hope its soon,

My site needs 1.1 to help me make more sales and my children are getting hungry.

Come on Presta gents talk to us or surprise us with a release soon

:-)


HAHA YOU'RE SO FUNNY..
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everybody who switched to PS, done very bad decision. and PS team done very bad thing, that they named this version as a FINAL. ehm. this version of PS is VEEERY far from to be FINAL. and that is the confusion of users. there are like 1000 of bugs, and in this stage, the PS is not suitable for real life. sad. very sad is that the only reason of releasing "FINAL" version of PS was the fact, that magento FINAL was released at that time.

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I disagree in many respects. Not least of which Magento beat PrestaShop by a fair bit with a "final" version. Oh, but then many folks couldn't get Magento 1.0 to work for them either.

My personal opinion is that I would have liked a version 1.1 to be a bug-fix release, and would have held off with adding new functionality, but to give the team their due the feature requests were coming in so thick and fast that they would have been damned by some if they hadn't added new features (some of which are no doubt a natural progression on from the bug-fix improvements to the code). But then you can't please everyone.

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I agree with the point of view of Alzuman. Presta is wait and see all the time, you can not make business. plus a very low communicate, you never know what's happen, and a piece of arogance since presta grow up. I decide to make the wait and leave. it' s a shame because I am a newbee and make my hand with first presta since february, but the complain we find now will be the same in 2 months. That's not a professional way of thinking to stay here, if you want to make money. Today I try magento sound more difficult to understand it take 1 hour and half to install it. (Presta 10 minuts) But sounds very professional. I prefer take 2 full weeks to understand mag... but after I' m sure to have a strong solution.
A disapointed newbee

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I am planning on installing this on a client's website but now I'm considering holding off until 1.1. I want to install Prestashop so they will be able to use the admin interface easily (there is no way they could understand Magento's admin area), but now with these negative posts I'm reconsidering. Would there be any benefit to wait until 1.1, or just go ahead and install 1.0 and update to 1.1 Since there hasn't been another release, will upgrading to 1.1 cause any damage? when the time comes, like 10 minutes from now when 1.1 is released :)

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I say since there is an explanation on how to update prestashop currently and yes Alphamedia and I have been conversing back and forth about the theme possibly or quite definetly being different in 1.1- these are not uncommon tasks to have to undertake in an ecommerce venture. So install 1.0 and get on with it- quit riding the damn fence- there are going to be more updates so with that attitude why not wait till 1.2 or 1.3 or even 1.hell freezing over. If you are really that timid, instal 1.o then when 1.1 comes out install it on a test box- familiarize yourself with 1.1 then unleash it on your client. You do a disservice to your client by riding on the fence. If they are like my clients, they are chomping at the bit to get moving with sales and get on with it already.

Just my 2 cents for what their worth.

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I am planning on installing this on a client's website but now I'm considering holding off until 1.1. I want to install Prestashop so they will be able to use the admin interface easily (there is no way they could understand Magento's admin area), but now with these negative posts I'm reconsidering. Would there be any benefit to wait until 1.1, or just go ahead and install 1.0 and update to 1.1 Since there hasn't been another release, will upgrading to 1.1 cause any damage? when the time comes, like 10 minutes from now when 1.1 is released :)


Magentos admin area is a bit hard to understand when it comes to settings for the shop, but if you do that for the client the product/category/orders/customers parts are easy. Only problem with magento is that it has so many dependencies and require alot from the servers.. almost impossible to run it in a shared enviroment which means that you need some kind of dedicated service for the shop (=expensive to host).
But with these delays, maybe Prestashop is too early for production.. I will give it another week, then start talking with my co-workers about possibilities for setting up magento for our clients instead because when we get 4 clients / week to run prestashop that means 4 more shops to upgrade each week the 1.1 is delayed.. in the end we will have to spend 1 work week just upgrading shops for free for our clients.. = we die of the work load :D
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Hi there Presta Team

A small question regarding V1.1.
The v1.1 will be compatible with the V1.0 templates?
It is important for us to know this and maybe other small things.

Thanks and just waiting for the v1.1

I understand anyway the waiting but not the silence.

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hi Philippe,

i guess prestashop team should be bored about releases questions ... but from my point of view, you have a product witch is genius (that's why you have so many questions) but also you have a problem of communication.
i worked as a distributor for a few software vendors, and communication is a major key point to be successful even the fact you have a good product. That's why, you may have a roadmap in your website (even that's not full true) to keep the contact with your community and show them you consider their opinion.
That's not a lot to do .... but most of them will appreciate it.

Thanks again for Prestashop, a very nice product.

Regards,

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We are aware about this problem, unfortunatly we don't have enough human ressource for this goal.
We are doing what we can, we hope that community will be here to help each other on the forum.

But keep in mind that even if there is a poor communication, the solution developpment continue every day.
Next release will be very powerfull (lot's of features !!).

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Next release will be very powerfull (lot's of features !!).

Its good to hear that, but can You please think, what we here can think. We getting promises and that's all. We don't have any idea, when we can see the next release.
I am understanding, that its hard work etc - but for this and is development snapshots or SVN servers. Then all users, who want to look to the development - can to that. We can see the actual development tempo and give some good feedback. These users, who know, how to use SVN servers - they know, that this is not final product.

So I am realy waiting new PS 1.1 release and also SVN access. Until now - I am using still ZenCart - but I am hope, that next PS release gives all needed possibilities and I am starting then migrate my shops to PrestaShop. I realy like this system - but its needs some polish yet.
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Hello everybody!
Since the Presta Team is so slow with getting 1.1 RC1 out we'll be creating an ecommerce store with Joomla and Virtuemart. Might chek out Prestashop in a year or 2 down the road. Good bye Prestashop!
[spam-filter]an ecommerce store with Joomla and Virtuemart[spam-filter] - fucking slow baby;) PRESTA THE BEST
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no. don't be so sarcastic.
the team is working hard on a nice 1.1 release.
be patient. we are all waiting for the release since weeks.
but as mentionned in previous thread, give them the time they need to propose us a clean release, with less bugs.
voilà ! that's my 2 cents way of thinking.

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