ruilong Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Why isn't tax shown on the order details page in back-end / front-end? or on the pdf invoice?is there some setting to turn this on?(we are required by law to inform customers about tax amount on invoices in my country) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolphin Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I do agree that this is very much needed. I am currently setting up my own webshop with PrestaShop for business sales.I would like to have all prices to be displayed without taxes, and have the tax specified later in the order details page and on the invoice.It is required by dutch law to specify the VAT total on the invoice.When can this be fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybelius Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I agree as well. Taxes in Quebec have to be mentionned and detailed, along with the business tax number. I will not be able to put my shop online before this is done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Bijoux Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Cybelius, did you find a way to charge the quebec taxes separetly???I have a very big problem with that and I can't put my e-commerce on web because of this bug.Can you help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinoalvino Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 so easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Bijoux Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hi vinoalvino,I know where are the taxes in prestashop but my problem is how to configure them because in quebec , we have a composed tax and I don't know how to put 2 taxes on the same product.Prestashop charge one tax at a time so the total amount is never correct.This is an example to explain:product ''A'' at 24.99$I have to charge the first tax of 5% ( so it's 1.25)I have to add 24.99$+1.25$=26.24$And AFTER that, I have to add another tax of 7.5% on the sub-total I had so it's 26.24$ x7.5%=( it's 1.97$)=28.21$My problem is to add the 7.5% on the sub-total. It's what is doesn't work.Can you helps me with that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinoalvino Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Sorry ... not so easy :red: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I've been working on payments modules recently and the tax thing just gets worse and worse. There are many laws regarding tax and taxation (not surprisingly) and they even go to the extent of defining the rounding policies you should use...... There doesn't appear to be any way of controlling these in PrestaShop either :-/ Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilong Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 Lucky for me I live in Sweden so we only have to add one tax (vat) to the product. but we do however need to display how much of the order was tax on the invoices so to be able to use the pdf:s in prestashop, this amount needs to be displayed. maybe in 1.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrÿSs' Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hi,You cannot print a price without tax in cart and with tax after in invoice.It's all with tax or all without tax, but not half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Bijoux Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Hi PhilippeI need to separate the 2 taxes for quebec ( 5% & 7.5%) on the invoice.So, do I need to put all show prices taxes included (ttc) or it's better to put show prices without taxes (ht) ?Can you help me with my tax problem....?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilong Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 Philippe, you missunderstand me.All prices are shown including tax in the shop, but I need the total tax amount specified.that is, how much of the order was tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Metzger Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I've been working on payments modules recently and the tax thing just gets worse and worse. There are many laws regarding tax and taxation (not surprisingly) and they even go to the extent of defining the rounding policies you should use...... There doesn't appear to be any way of controlling these in PrestaShop either :-/ I first read these rounding things a few weeks ago while developing the Google Checkout module, there is a good explanation in the API documentation...The worse is not that there is a policy about rounding, but that this policy is different between each country :/So there's no way controlling it from PS, and my head ache just by thinking to develop the feature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrÿSs' Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Ok guys,What you are asking for TVA details on invoice is ALREADY available, since a long time ago (0.9.7 I think).I give you a proof with a screenshot of an example invoice.MadameBijoux, what you are asking for is not available in PrestaShop and need a lot of modifications to get this behavior. We are thinking about to include it for 1.1, but not sure it will be available (lot of works just for Canada ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul C Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 I first read these rounding things a few weeks ago while developing the Google Checkout module, there is a good explanation in the API documentation...The worse is not that there is a policy about rounding, but that this policy is different between each country :/So there's no way controlling it from PS, and my head ache just by thinking to develop the feature I'm not sure it's that bad, just needs a little care in implementation. If I understand it correctly, then you only need to worry about getting the tax calculation correct (in terms of rounding) from the perspective of the originating (shop) country, and not the customer's country. Using the scheme in the Google API is probably as good a one as any, given that they've probably done the hard work and worked out the required combinations If my shop in the UK sells something to you in France, then I would charge 17.5% UK VAT and use HALF_UP, PER_LINE rounding. It doesn't matter that the French VAT rate is different, nor that the rounding policy may also differ (although I'm not sure if there's an EU standard). The tax that should be applied (within the EU) is the one for the local country, and the tax rules to follow are the local ones. The implication is that the cart needs to know which country it's in, and from that determine how to round prices.It would still be a pain to implement, since everywhere there's a tax calculation you'll need to call either a Tools or Tax class member function to do the multiplication. Not impossible.But, of course, I could be wrong Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybelius Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I was able to find a workaround for this problem but it raised another problem: the product tax remains active even if the product does not have any. I will explain:My client in Montreal Canada has taxable and non-taxable items. For example coffee is non-taxable but espresso machines are. Now, for taxable items, it's fine: there is a 5% services tax (GST) for all 12 provinces for taxable items. For Ontario clients, a 5% GST rate is applied on taxable goods only. Works fine. Now in Quebec (where the store is), is added a provincial tax (7.87%, which represents TOTAL X 5%/7,87%). The problem is that the provincial tax is always there, even when the product does not have any taxes. So say for coffee (non taxable good), the 10$ price brings it to 10,75$ instead of 10$. Any clue on what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksen Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The AccountPro Invoicing software module is not a form filling software program, but a powerful module with full interfacing to other AccountPro modules. The Invoicing module does not require the Inventory module to create and maintain a master database of items for billing purposes. Invoices may be printed from the billing software module as the order is completed, or printed at a later date. Pre-defined Item messages are printed automatically below the Invoice line Item if the Item has an Item message ID associated with it.----------------------------jacksen Intenet Marketing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnz Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Ok guys,What you are asking for TVA details on invoice is ALREADY available, since a long time ago (0.9.7 I think).I give you a proof with a screenshot of an example invoice.MadameBijoux, what you are asking for is not available in PrestaShop and need a lot of modifications to get this behavior. We are thinking about to include it for 1.1, but not sure it will be available (lot of works just for Canada ). I see this in the invoice, but what about on the web site?Is there anyway to make tax appear on the form on the site... having tax appear after checkout is not going to work...and I dont want to apply taxes on products as in the US, you only tax for the state that you live in.Let me know if I am missing something. I love all else, but this is deal breaker on eCommerce in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DealFinder Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like this software works only for some European countries, to everybody else: "Sorry, it's too much work for us to figure out how to calculate taxes". This should've been the first step - flexible tax calculating system. And for a while I was silly enough to think that PrestaShop was a promising new software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropischBruin Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 It looks like this software works only for some European countries, to everybody else: "Sorry, it's too much work for us to figure out how to calculate taxes". This should've been the first step - flexible tax calculating system. And for a while I was silly enough to think that PrestaShop was a promising new software. WAUW!And you just registered only to ad this comment to a topic that is 3 months old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DealFinder Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 No, silly, I registered more than three month ago (see the Joined: 2008-09-25), tested 1.0, saw this problem, waited for 1.1 tested it, saw the same exact problem, searched forums and bug tracker, found lame response from developers and them posted my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathieuF Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 It's always the same answer, too much work only for Canada.Well Canada exist! Understanding the logic (if any) in prestashop for the tax calculation, I could modify it myself. I spent the day trying to figure out which number were coming from where. I lost all of my hair.Thing is there is not only Europe, not only one tax model. Flexible tax would make prestashop truly awesome. For now, it is just a proof of concept to me.Is there any plans at least to get it fixed in 1.2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DealFinder Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Is there any plans at least to get it fixed in 1.2 ? Don't hold your breath. It looks like this change will require a significant rewrite, so they are not interested in spending time on it, not until they run out of European customers anyways.My main beef is that they don't make it clear that this software is limited to countries with very simple tax rules ONLY. Just like you I've wasted lots of time just to figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathieuF Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 I can certainly understand they don't want to spend time only for the rest of the World, but at least provide documentation and somebody will do it.Lack of good documentation is what will drive the open source community away worldwide and prevent a wide adoption of prestashop. Let's make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.P. Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Dear MathieuF,they do not care about most of european countries and they do not care about the rest of the world as well. The European Union will make a decision in the very near future to deal with online shops and they will unify the legal issues. I think even now for the most europeen countries the order summary has to show the taxes and in the order confirmation before a customer confirms the order, there must be a summary with all the products with prices and taxes and shipping costs a.s.o..Prestashop actually only says: agree to the terms and conditions and pay the amount of ... somehow and confirm that by clicking the button confirm order and that is illegal in a lot of countries worldwide and legal only in a few countries worldwide.The customer should see before order confirmation how the final amount was created and not only in a PDF after the complete order process. Even the old oscommerce did that. In the case of the order process Prestashop is a step backward and not a step in the future of ecommerce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathieuF Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I decided Prestashop was not mature enough to run my store.I went with something else.Tax were a main concern for my company and we didn't have the time to spend on re-writing such a core feature.Thanks for the response anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I second the motion !!Prestashop looks great - many features, fast - but no use to Canadians due to tax module. Also, looks like many USA states have the same problem. Waiting ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.P. Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Not just Canada and the US. The majority of the countries do need that function before confirming the order. There is no other shop system with such a lousy order process. The legal issues start with those javascript buttons (what about Javascript deactivation in browser and legal discussion afterward) and end with illegal order process.Very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdk Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 You will find a lot of threads with this toppic and no usefull answer from the developers. I dont believe anymore that in this point anything will happen in future. But we will see a lot of colorful stats-modules. Yipiiehhh.So, you cant use Prestashop in the EU, you cant use Prestashop in Canada, you cant use Prestashop in most parts of the US.But where can I use prestashop fitting the laws? In Prestashop Country, beyond the seven hills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropischBruin Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 You will find a lot of threads with this toppic and no usefull answer from the developers. I dont believe anymore that in this point anything will happen in future. But we will see a lot of colorful stats-modules. Yipiiehhh.So, you cant use Prestashop in the EU, you cant use Prestashop in Canada, you cant use Prestashop in most parts of the US.But where can I use prestashop fitting the laws? In Prestashop Country, beyond the seven hills? That is beyond Never-Everland, next to Phantasy Island, this is, if you've finished the never Ending Story first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winone Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Check out this guide for complex tax calculations in the US and Canadahttp://www.daveegerton.com/prestashop-guides/Prestashop-Administrators-Guide/38/Taxes.htmlThanks Dave Egerton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricosouave Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Guys here is a little fix that i did...http://www.prestashop.com/forums/viewthread/14585/P15/discussion_generale/prestashop__problemes_pour_le_canada_et_quebec/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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