My google page rank went from 0 to 3 today? Other DIR's went down to N/A!???

[nutbuster]

My home page went from N/A to Zero then after a couple of months went to PR 3 today! But a lot of the pages that were at Zero went to N/A...and only two pages just above the homepage went to PR 1...Weird! I also have a lot of anchor links on my main cookware sub directory and that also went down from zero to N/A...would of thought that would of went to a PR2??

Does prestashop internal link my pages like this article below states? I would think the first level subdirectories would of went to PR2 or am I missing something?

http://www.searchengineguide.com/andrew-gerhart/understanding-and-building-google-pagera.php

Thanks for your suggestions!

[nutbuster]

Wow..though I'd get some suggestions on this....everyone out buying booze?

[Paul C]

Well I'm not sure why you think that the first level subdirectories would be a PR2?? Remember that page rank is exponential and relies on votes. If the only links to your internl pages are from your own home-page, then you'll get a little bit of PR from that but not much. I assume that you've been gaining links to your home page which is why it has risen to PR3. Keep up the good work, but remember that Page Rank (the toolbar green thingy) doesn't really relate to much

Just chill ad enjoy the sales you're making - conversion is a lot more important

Paul

[nutbuster]

Well I'm not sure why you think that the first level subdirectories would be a PR2?? Remember that page rank is exponential and relies on votes. If the only links to your internl pages are from your own home-page, then you'll get a little bit of PR from that but not much. I assume that you've been gaining links to your home page which is why it has risen to PR3. Keep up the good work, but remember that Page Rank (the toolbar green thingy) doesn't really relate to much

Just chill ad enjoy the sales you're making - conversion is a lot more important

Paul

Paul but if you look at my Cookware link, top of the directory on homepage (links in sig) you will notice I had about 92 backlinks for that sub directory and it was a PR0 before the Google update...it's now a n/a. Many of those 92 links had anchor text pointing to the sub directory...the sub directories that went from n/a to PR1 (two of them) have zero links to them....this is what I do not understand??

Now I know PR is not only thing to concider important and I usually gauge my success more with how my keywords do on a google search and they are climbing to the top!

[Ion_Cannon]

Pagerank means absolutely nothing anymore unless you are a page rank of 6 or better. Just work on building quality links with keyword anchor text back to your site and you will see tremendous gains in the SERP's. Google will eventually do away with page-rank altogether it looks like..

[nutbuster]

Pagerank means absolutely nothing anymore unless you are a page rank of 6 or better. Just work on building quality links with keyword anchor text back to your site and you will see tremendous gains in the SERP's. Google will eventually do away with page-rank altogether it looks like..

There is more to this than meets the eye my friend!....I had about 10 pages that were PR0 and now they are n/a....also this site:

http://www.ckbproducts.com/

...which is like mine has a PR4 homepage and his directory links are all PR3 with subdirectory links being PR2 and so forth...I notice that he has backlinks on all his directory and sub directories back to his homepage...mine does not do this....looks like I am missing having backlinks to all my directories and sub subdirectories....how do I do this with prestashop???

Thanks,

[Paul C]

Having looked at my ow sites there does indeed seem to have been a fairly significant re-work of Page Rank. Maybe it isn't dead after all, since there have been more updates this year than previously

Have you tried looking at canonical links to focus your pagerank better? Your homepage should link to all your categories surely, and isn't there a link back to the home page on each category page?

Paul

[Ion_Cannon]

I still say pagerank means zippo. It's all about the SERPs. Pagerank is a very minor factor in determining your SERP rankings and driving traffic to your site....for increasing search engine results it is a well known fact that "quality" Backlinks are the most important factor, followed by good content, then on page SEO, and then MAYBE pagerank but I bet there is something more important that I am forgetting than pagerank. I used to make the mistake of trying to boost my pagerank. When I started concentrating on backlinks, that's when I started seeing huge increases in traffic to my site along with PPC ads. I get over 1000 unique visitors and growing each day now. Pretty good for a small shop IMHO.

[nutbuster]

I still say pagerank means zippo. It's all about the SERPs. Pagerank is a very minor factor in determining your SERP rankings and driving traffic to your site....for increasing search engine results it is a well known fact that "quality" Backlinks are the most important factor, followed by good content, then on page SEO, and then MAYBE pagerank but I bet there is something more important that I am forgetting than pagerank. I used to make the mistake of trying to boost my pagerank. When I started concentrating on backlinks, that's when I started seeing huge increases in traffic to my site along with PPC ads. I get over 1000 unique visitors and growing each day now. Pretty good for a small shop IMHO.

IC but did you even looks at the PR structure of the cbk like above and notice how the PR lowed to the lower pages...that's how it suppose to look like if your file internal links are correct...something is not right with the way Prestashop; is doing this! If you check my site www.kctrading.net you will not see this structure.

Please take a look before commenting...thanks!

[Ion_Cannon]

I still say pagerank means zippo. It's all about the SERPs. Pagerank is a very minor factor in determining your SERP rankings and driving traffic to your site....for increasing search engine results it is a well known fact that "quality" Backlinks are the most important factor, followed by good content, then on page SEO, and then MAYBE pagerank but I bet there is something more important that I am forgetting than pagerank. I used to make the mistake of trying to boost my pagerank. When I started concentrating on backlinks, that's when I started seeing huge increases in traffic to my site along with PPC ads. I get over 1000 unique visitors and growing each day now. Pretty good for a small shop IMHO.

IC but did you even looks at the PR structure of the cbk like above and notice how the PR lowed to the lower pages...that's how it suppose to look like if your file internal links are correct...something is not right with the way Prestashop; is doing this! If you check my site www.kctrading.net you will not see this structure.

Please take a look before commenting...thanks!

I see it but it does not really matter. Pagerank doesn't help either way. It's all about how your pages appear in the SERP's...here is a nice write up:

http://www.highrankings.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17365

[Paul C]

Actually that link doesn't really back up your reasoning. Pages that have been around for a while, but have pagerank unassigned (n/a) would seem to point out an issue with linking/relative importance. Your article quite rightly points out that Toolbar Page Rank <> SERPS performance but it does acknowledge that backlinks are a "vote" for a page and can have an effect on SERPS performance. Internal site linking is important in my opinion. If your contact page is n/a then fine, but a whole category???

nutbuster's point is not that his site has a Toolbar pagerank of X, but rather that he would have expected his pages to be ranked in a heirarchy if his site was being indexed and considered in the SERPS correctly and logically. Unassigned may be an indication that Google doesn't see the page as being important at all, not even in the context of his own site -- i wonder if these pages do indeed appear for their intended search terms at all?

In a test store I have generated a sitemap for I've noticed that not all the pages are indeed flagged as being indexed (at least the sitemap url isn't which should be the canonical version), even though you would expect them to be...

Paul

[Ion_Cannon]

Actually that link doesn't really back up your reasoning. Pages that have been around for a while, but have pagerank unassigned (n/a) would seem to point out an issue with linking/relative importance. Your article quite rightly points out that Toolbar Page Rank <> SERPS performance but it does acknowledge that backlinks are a "vote" for a page and can have an effect on SERPS performance. Internal site linking is important in my opinion. If your contact page is n/a then fine, but a whole category???

I think the article backs up what I am saying perfectly. #1 point being that the Toolbar page rank is totally unreliable. So that DOES backup my point. It IS totally unreliable and not entirely accurate. So why even bother with it??

nutbuster's point is not that his site has a Toolbar pagerank of X, but rather that he would have expected his pages to be ranked in a heirarchy if his site was being indexed and considered in the SERPS correctly and logically. Unassigned may be an indication that Google doesn't see the page as being important at all, not even in the context of his own site -- i wonder if these pages do indeed appear for their intended search terms at all?

Generally, Pages are only going to get pagerank if other important pages link to them, I don't think internal linking matters too much for page rank, it is content and external links....so, there's no guarantee that the site will have good Pagerank for sub-pages unless you have nice external linking to them.

The best tool for determining how your site looks to Google is Google's own Webmaster Tools. I would not trust the Google toolbar in determining how your site performs on Google. Also, another tool that is great to use for free is called "Traffic Travis". It's a great little program to see how your site is doing in Google for keyword rankings.

[Paul C]

Hmm. You still think I'm disagreeing with you in terms of the worth of Toolbar PageRank vs SERPS results. I'm not. What I'm saying is that it is possible that the way the site was structured may be a problem, with the pagerank assignment being a possible indicator of a problem. Given that a refresh has just finished, then the Toolbar PR is quite a good reflection of what google thinks of a site at this point in time. Look at the Toolbar PR for your own site ;-)

If a site seems... somehow wrong or dodgy to you, it's been around a while and has no PR, it may be an indication that a site doing something wrong. It could also be a glitch

Maybe it's a bug? Maybe the guy has done something strange. One thing that I've learned is that it's never good to disregard anything without having a reasonable explanation. If this site owner questioning Google's Toolbar PR does nothing else but highlight a real problem with the site, then for my money it's a worthy and worthwhile tool.

Having looked at the site though, I suspect that the issues may be more about quality than anything else. Meta descriptions, choice of search "friendly" url can have a huge impact on search engine's perception of a page. The category pages I looked at don't have properly crafted descriptions (meta), and the use of the same words repeatedly on the page I looked at probably doesn't do it any favours. Sadly I think my final answer on the subject would likely be - "Google just didn't find your pages compelling enough to care".

Paul

[Ion_Cannon]

Hmm. You still think I'm disagreeing with you in terms of the worth of Toolbar PageRank vs SERPS results. I'm not. What I'm saying is that it is possible that the way the site was structured may be a problem, with the pagerank assignment being a possible indicator of a problem. Given that a refresh has just finished, then the Toolbar PR is quite a good reflection of what google thinks of a site at this point in time. Look at the Toolbar PR for your own site ;-)

Not really disagreeing with you. I am just not sure that any real problem can be defined that will cause anyone's site a problem. I am just saying overall PR can't be used to really detect a problem. My site is a PR2 yet I outrank 5 or 6 PR4+ sites for my #1 keywords when their #1 keywords are the same as mine since they are competitors... just more proof pagerank explains absolutely nothing. So I put absolutely no stock in "Toolbar PR is quite a good reflection of what google thinks of a site" because it absolutely DOES NOT. The toolbar PR is a joke even if the refresh was two seconds ago it doesn't matter....hopefully they remove it soon just like they did in their Admin sections because it is probably 1% important to a site's SEO or performance on the search engines.

[nutbuster]

I think Paul C knows what I am talking about.... IC, I hope this helps to better explain If you look at my "first" main directory (Waterless cookware) you will see that I have approx 90 Yahoo linkbacks many are anchor text backlinks...that page use to be PR0 and is now N/A so it went from index to not being indexed any longer and that is my main product I sell! Why would this page go to a N/A when two other directories went to PR1 without any links to them at all?

Waterless Cookware directory should be a PR2...instead it went from PR0 to being un-indexed:
http://www.kctrading.net/3-stainless-all-clad-cookware-sets

These two directories have a PR1 with ZERO baclkinks!
Why did these get a PR1? At least they are now indexed...so if I add anchor backlinks they will be found!

http://www.kctrading.net/12-tools-bbq-cookware
http://www.kctrading.net/13-picknic-basket-travel-drinkware-sets


My "Waterless Cookware" directory keywords are not showing up when I search them in Google, just my main homepage does...I remember when both were PR0 Google would show my homepage then Waterless Cookware just below it....So, there is indeed something wrong... I am just trying to find someone who can and knows what needs to be done...getting better SERPS is not going to help this directory is it?! I am willing to pay someone to figure this out for me!



Maybe I have to much content? At the end of that product listing all my cookware I included an article with my keywords in it.....Maybe I listed my baclkink comments to a site that is being penalized?


The questions still remain...How do I get google to see my "Internal" backlinks? How do I install Internal backlinks?

I am also going to get two or three External backlinks for all my main directories as well.


I have also just read that Google is now ranking for how fast your site is...the faster the better!

[Ion_Cannon]

I think Paul C knows what I am talking about.... IC, I hope this helps to better explain If you look at my "first" main directory (Waterless cookware) you will see that I have approx 90 Yahoo linkbacks many are anchor text backlinks...that page use to be PR0 and is now N/A so it went from index to not being indexed any longer and that is my main product I sell! Why would this page go to a N/A when two other directories went to PR1 without any links to them at all?

Waterless Cookware directory should be a PR2...instead it went from PR0 to being un-indexed:
http://www.kctrading.net/3-stainless-all-clad-cookware-sets

These two directories have a PR1 with ZERO baclkinks!
Why did these get a PR1? At least they are now indexed...so if I add anchor backlinks they will be found!

http://www.kctrading.net/12-tools-bbq-cookware
http://www.kctrading.net/13-picknic-basket-travel-drinkware-sets


My "Waterless Cookware" directory keywords are not showing up when I search them in Google, just my main homepage does...I remember when both were PR0 Google would show my homepage then Waterless Cookware just below it....So, there is indeed something wrong... I am just trying to find someone who can and knows what needs to be done...getting better SERPS is not going to help this directory is it?! I am willing to pay someone to figure this out for me!



Maybe I have to much content? At the end of that product listing all my cookware I included an article with my keywords in it.....Maybe I listed my baclkink comments to a site that is being penalized?


The questions still remain...How do I get google to see my "Internal" backlinks? How do I install Internal backlinks?

I am also going to get two or three External backlinks for all my main directories as well.


I have also just read that Google is now ranking for how fast your site is...the faster the better!

Ok basically I'm an idiot and don't know what I am talking about.

But I will give you these two pieces of advise that are neither here nor there. #1 your backlinks are suspect.. Everywhere you have a link just looking at them, you are sharing way too much of the respective page PR with other sites. Meaning the links you are getting have way too many OBL (outbound links). You are going to get very little juice from even a pr6 if you are sharing with 20 other sites that also have a link on the page. #2 Optimize the main page first, don't worry about PR. Get people coming to your main page for your main keywords first. Your site does not even have Google sitelinks yet. Get sitelinks and do it the proper way. Visit http://forums.digitalpoint.com/ and learn from the SEO experts there. Tons of better information than you will find here. Pose your questions there as well. Those guys know their stuff. Feel free to PM there if you have any further questions as well. I am Ion_Cannon there also. your problem is not prestashop related really... Good luck

[nutbuster]

I think Paul C knows what I am talking about.... IC, I hope this helps to better explain If you look at my "first" main directory (Waterless cookware) you will see that I have approx 90 Yahoo linkbacks many are anchor text backlinks...that page use to be PR0 and is now N/A so it went from index to not being indexed any longer and that is my main product I sell! Why would this page go to a N/A when two other directories went to PR1 without any links to them at all?

Waterless Cookware directory should be a PR2...instead it went from PR0 to being un-indexed:
http://www.kctrading.net/3-stainless-all-clad-cookware-sets

These two directories have a PR1 with ZERO baclkinks!
Why did these get a PR1? At least they are now indexed...so if I add anchor backlinks they will be found!

http://www.kctrading.net/12-tools-bbq-cookware
http://www.kctrading.net/13-picknic-basket-travel-drinkware-sets


My "Waterless Cookware" directory keywords are not showing up when I search them in Google, just my main homepage does...I remember when both were PR0 Google would show my homepage then Waterless Cookware just below it....So, there is indeed something wrong... I am just trying to find someone who can and knows what needs to be done...getting better SERPS is not going to help this directory is it?! I am willing to pay someone to figure this out for me!



Maybe I have to much content? At the end of that product listing all my cookware I included an article with my keywords in it.....Maybe I listed my baclkink comments to a site that is being penalized?


The questions still remain...How do I get google to see my "Internal" backlinks? How do I install Internal backlinks?

I am also going to get two or three External backlinks for all my main directories as well.


I have also just read that Google is now ranking for how fast your site is...the faster the better!

Ok basically I'm an idiot and don't know what I am talking about.

But I will give you these two pieces of advise that are neither here nor there. #1 your backlinks are suspect.. Everywhere you have a link just looking at them, you are sharing way too much of the respective page PR with other sites. Meaning the links you are getting have way too many OBL (outbound links). You are going to get very little juice from even a pr6 if you are sharing with 20 other sites that also have a link on the page. #2 Optimize the main page first, don't worry about PR. Get people coming to your main page for your main keywords first. Your site does not even have Google sitelinks yet. Get sitelinks and do it the proper way. Visit http://forums.digitalpoint.com/ and learn from the SEO experts there. Tons of better information than you will find here. Pose your questions there as well. Those guys know their stuff. Feel free to PM there if you have any further questions as well. I am Ion_Cannon there also. your problem is not prestashop related really... Good luck

I will check out that site....I know where you are coming from IC and I agree! I am just trying to get all my little ducks in a row

I did find one really good goof this morning on my Google Webmaster Tools page ...seems I put robot.txt in for my sitemap...DOH! Don't even know how I did that one.

Sitelink is something new to me! Hmmmm...did some checking...

Is this a sitelink for my site? Forth link down, or am I missing something

http://www.google.com/search?q=12+person+cutlery+set

[Ion_Cannon]

I will check out that site....I know where you are coming from IC and I agree! I am just trying to get all my little ducks in a row

I did find one really good goof this morning on my Google Webmaster Tools page ...seems I put robot.txt in for my sitemap...DOH! Don't even know how I did that one.

Sitelink is something new to me! Hmmmm...did some checking...

Is this a sitelink for my site? Forth link down, or am I missing something

http://www.google.com/search?q=12+person+cutlery+set

The sitemap fix will help you out. Google Sitelinks are automatically generated by google. You have no control over it. They usually show up when your site is well respected by Google. Do a search for "glassware dreams" in google for my site and you will see my site is #1 and has links underneath where the main pages are listed and those links are the automatically generated "sitelinks". You should also see them in the Webmaster tools section. You can control them only in disabling pages you do not want to appear.

[Paul C]

I've found that the reports on here:

http://www.seo-theory.com/seo-white-papers/

Contain pretty good advice which can be used as a starting point. One thing I would advise against is trying to implement every single SEO "tip" or "trick" you come across on the web. Many were wrong to start with, are wrong now, or are based on getting you to pay for goods and/or services that you don't need or shouldn't use.

You're off to a good start though, because you're testing and you're questioning.

Paul

[nutbuster]

I will check out that site....I know where you are coming from IC and I agree! I am just trying to get all my little ducks in a row

I did find one really good goof this morning on my Google Webmaster Tools page ...seems I put robot.txt in for my sitemap...DOH! Don't even know how I did that one.

Sitelink is something new to me! Hmmmm...did some checking...

Is this a sitelink for my site? Forth link down, or am I missing something

http://www.google.com/search?q=12+person+cutlery+set

The sitemap fix will help you out. Google Sitelinks are automatically generated by google. You have no control over it. They usually show up when your site is well respected by Google. Do a search for "glassware dreams" in google for my site and you will see my site is #1 and has links underneath where the main pages are listed and those links are the automatically generated "sitelinks". You should also see them in the Webmaster tools section. You can control them only in disabling pages you do not want to appear.

Thanks for the info IC & Paul C.

Hey how long as this Google tool been around...I just found it and it seems speed will also be a ranking factor if not now soon...I also started a post on this subject as I could not find anything on this subject here:

http://www.prestashop.com/forums/viewthread/39811/general_discussion/google_page_speed__pretty_cool_tool_dot__dot__dot_whats_your_score

[Ion_Cannon]

Thanks for the info IC & Paul C.

Hey how long as this Google tool been around...I just found it and it seems speed will also be a ranking factor if not now soon...I also started a post on this subject as I could not find anything on this subject here:

http://www.prestashop.com/forums/viewthread/39811/general_discussion/google_page_speed__pretty_cool_tool_dot__dot__dot_whats_your_score

Webmaster tools have been there for a long time. It used to show PR of your pages but they have abandoned it as a sign of things to come. Speed of your site will also be a huge factor in search results in the near future. Google always changes. Never stays the same....it's always something different from one year to the next. Used to be page rank, then # of links, right now quality of content and links instead of number of links, in the future speed and quality.. go figure.

[nutbuster]

Been cleaning up my crawler errors with the help of Google Webmaster Tools and the help of tomerg3 and his Modules he has developed! There are around 20+ pages at PR1 and a few PR0...SERP's seem to be climbing as well

Seems their was a bug in Prestashop 1.2.3 Sitemap tool as it would not removed some jpg files that kept showing up on Google webmaster tools as "No Followed"...I installed tomerg3 free sitemap generator module and it took them out no problem

I also purchased his redirect seo module with equal good success!

http://www.presto-changeo.com/

[AlmeraGTI]

Hello Peps on this post, just making a comment because I have found this post very interesting with some hits and tools that I am going to try.

 

While I am going through google webmaster tools and fixing some Duplicated Descriptions I do ask myself if my product pages will ever get site linked by Google or what is the best way for this to happen??

 

I do agree totally agree with one comment that has been made in that there is a lot of information out there regarding SEO and a lot of it is history that can actually stop you from progressing forwards if you pay to much attention to it.