Pippo3000 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 ok, I signed up with cloudcache. in my desperate attempt to speed up load times (google page speed is 75 out of 100). those 9 bucks for 1 months sound reasonable to me and yes, it works. to the extent that I got my API and the module properly configured. but now page speed still shows 75/100? then I started to read some documentation of cloudcache and realized that they mention to cache big files in their worldwide 'cache centers' for faster loading when a user/visitor comes from that area. well, my shop is pretty much dedicated to Germany, possibly other German speaking countries around us. But ultimately we talk Europe. So would I still need cloudcache then at all? I mean, there may people coincidently come from all over the world, many actually via prestahop.com since we are in the showcase but those visitors would not be customers anyway. so again, is cloudcache worthwhile and useful to me? thx phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Hello Phil, I would say you would still benefit some from using it but guess the only way to tell is use it for a month or two and keep an eye on it and if it's not then try something else. I preferably use cloudflare and is a great tool to have since they offer so much more than cloudcache. It's really awesome. you may want to check it out. They have a free version but you really benefit using the pro version which is only 20 a month. Cheers Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Cloud cache should do nothing for your google page speed rankings. Those are all on site optimizations that more often than not, need to be done by hand. I usually stop around the mid 90's on doing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 that's one good thing about using cloudflare they have so many uses in their apps that speed pages up like rocketloader, smart errors, speedy, IPv6 implementation and many many more to help with page speeds. they also have an app to reduce image sizes to help with page loads.. Have you ever used before DesignHaus42? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I haven't, but at the same time I know there are some things that they have no control of speeding up. Such as reducing http requests, enabling of caching of certain resources, make sprites out of images. Am I wrong in thinking that the implementation in prestashop only does images? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) Hey there, they offer on their pro plan where you can redirect and make page rules so you're only caching certain pages or images. With pro plan you can make 20 page rules for this. With cloudflare you can make it do both pages and images it really depends on how you set up sub-domains. You can reduce and set-up how you want to handle all http request.. It's really cool. You can also see what outbound links you have on the site as well, stay online with pages that have been cached if your server goes down. advanced firewall protection, recatpcha log-in. also if you're under a ddos attack you can make it to where all customers have to use recatpcha You can also customize error pages such as 404 and place links in their so your customers not leave they can be directed to home page or ever how you set it up I can keep on all day long with many other things it offers. You can set how long your customer cached pages before they expire, auto minify all js, css and html files for web optimization, website preloader they have something for images called mirage where Image resizing: Automatically resize images based on the visitor's device and how the image is used on the page. Requires JavaScript. Lazy loader: Automatically turns all images into load-on-demand. Images on your site are not loaded until the visitor scrolls to their location. also image optimization that reduces size of the images the cloudflare cahce uses nginx Edited November 16, 2012 by clayton29657 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I have seen their feature offering, but how many are actually offered for Prestashop. I could be wrong, but I don't think cloud flare serves any html -php content because of the tokens and the possibility of them being updated. I am sure the service is good, but it is no replacement for doing things on site right also. Page speed is the first thing I do, then I go through yslow. I have found it is best to optimize by hand also, the built in ccc is nice, but it leaves a lot of files out that are not included in the default package of PS. I am actually working on on today, I will post the results later on in the day when I finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 That would be great .. I would love to see the outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Without running a caching server, this was about the best I could do. It started out here, http://screencast.com/t/yB7A6X3L and ended up here http://screencast.com/t/6hmqLHysM4 95 is not too bad. Most of the slow downs are caused from running the 3rd party chat (olark) the facebook integration and the trustlogo (comodo). None of their scripts are compressed, minified, or have good cache timeouts. Same for all of their images. I am going to run it through cloud flare, just because it can' hurt anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 @DesignHaus42 Wow that is amazing. We are really struggling to to get over 70-75 on our main site I would LOVE for you to give us some details on how you managed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 It is a pretty tedious process. Generally I just run google page speed and see what it recommends. I always go through and delete all of the css files for the modules being used and combine them to the end of the global.css file. then I compress that file. I have found this really helpful for combining and compressing http://refresh-sf.com/yui/ Then I start taking a look at the images and seeing what recommendations it makes on compressing them and do it. Sometimes I have to download the product images and run a batch on them with fireworks to compress them further. Looking at your u-bolts-r-us.co.uk site, it seems that live zilla is causing a lot of your problems. I use olark, which isn't perfect, but doesn't cause as much a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I always go through and delete all of the css files for the modules being used and combine them to the end of the global.css file. then I compress that file. I have found this really helpful for combining and compressing http://refresh-sf.com/yui/ Thanks - I know Livezilla is a hog, but I like the desktop software for monitoring. I will have a look at olark - does it have a desktop component? The CSS work, I am not a programmer, but do dabble a little. do you then have to go to all the module files and change the location of the files so that they point to Global rather than the original? Or is just combining them and deleting the originals sufficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Without running a caching server, this was about the best I could do. It started out here, http://screencast.com/t/yB7A6X3L and ended up here http://screencast.com/t/6hmqLHysM4 95 is not too bad. Most of the slow downs are caused from running the 3rd party chat (olark) the facebook integration and the trustlogo (comodo). None of their scripts are compressed, minified, or have good cache timeouts. Same for all of their images. I am going to run it through cloud flare, just because it can' hurt anything. So if I am 97% i should not complain then. I was complaining with 97%? I know there's always room to improve in this area. I will have my tech go through the css like you did DesignHaus42 and thank you for the advice. I am just anal when it comes to speed and site performance along with security for my site. Thanks for the time and work you've put in to offer advice we all appreciate it very much. Edited November 18, 2012 by clayton29657 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 One thing that is not to be overlooked is having a good server. You can do all of the optimizations in the world and get a great score through something like page speed, but one thing it does not measure is the actual time that it takes the page to get to someone. You can have everything combined, compressed, using css sprites, but if it takes 10 seconds for your server to process a sql request, then you are basically still screwed. I would suggest you look into cloudflare instead of cloud cache if you are wanting security also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Is that message for me? I use cloudflare already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Oh, sorry, I thought you used cloudcache for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 No problem, I love using cloudflare and is well worth spending the money for added security and caching. The only thing i had hard time learning is how to set up their page rules to not cache my admin but I figured it out. I am just curious what would happen if my admin site got cached? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dh42 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Do you not use it to just cache a static directory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayton29657 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 when they set-up the system it was caching everything then I noticed the orange cloud on my admin and that is when i started asking them ? and found out i had to set that up which I did. All sub-domains are setup correctly now to cache certain things. I was just curious what would happen if it did. My admin site is ok and not cached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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